I agree with that assessment.
However, I disagree about the reasons. It's not primarily a lack of subsidies for EVs, but massive subsidies for fossil fuels, paired with a failure of US auto makers to keep up on technology.
So for the US citizens, I will repeat my previous statements:
- EVs can today be produced as cheaply as ICEVs
- retail prices are converging in Asia and Europe
Besides, you spend $31b/year to make ICE viable and protect yourself with 100% tariffs against EVs xD
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Well, could you describe the car and driving profile? And since your price is in dollars, I guess you are in one of the worst EV markets in the world...
EVs have become quite affordable in the used market. By 2030 many more will be available. Perhaps not enough for everyone in that market, but probably for most. They turn out to be more robust than expected. Like 5+ years and 150 k+ km and still above 90% battery health...
A common misconception, based on outdated facts. Today, EVs can be produced at similar cost to ICEVs. Sure, not every OEM can do it, but consumer prices are already converging in Asia and Europe.
With EVs being cheaper to drive and maintain, they are the smart option for people on a budget.
Nunja, mit "Übergang, bis die Kernfusion günstiger ist" können wir alle gut leben ^^
Jo, Mehrwertsteuerbefreiung für günstigere Modelle gibt's noch in Norwegen. Dann werden Luxusautos dort bestimmt nur mit Verbrenner verkauft, oder?
Dann bitte Deutschland und China, sowie den Vergleich zu den Subventionen für Verbrenner. Deine Frage bezog sich ja nicht nur auf Norwegen.
Aber um deine Frage zu beantworten (wenn du Deutschland, China und Norwegen ausnehmen willst):
- Vietnam
- Thailand
- Singapur
- Äthiopien (haha)
Kannst du ein paar dieser Subventionen und Strafsteuern nennen?
Und wie verhalten sich deren Größenordnung zur impliziten Subvention für Verbrenner (z.B. aktuell eben den CO2 Preis nicht bezahlen zu müssen, von lokaler Verschmutzung ganz zu schweigen)?
Das betrifft nur das Fahrzeug, nicht den Ladestrom.
Doch, zumindest bis 2030.
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Actually, Diesel might be the more reasonable option to keep a few more years during the transition to EVs. They are particularly suited for long distances at high speeds.
At least Mercedes and BMW have competitive EVs now, but I'm worried about Audi...
Laden beim Arbeitgeber wird politisch und medial leider völlig unterschätzt. Habe mehrere Kollegen, die elektrisch unterwegs sind ohne Lademöglichkeit Zuhause. Aber Mitarbeitertarif mit 38 Cent und sonst gelegentlich beim Einkaufen für 29 Cent (Lidl, Kaufland, Aldi) macht's möglich.
Battery lifespan depends on charging habits, climate, cell chemistry, thermal management, manufacturing quality, driving, etc.
As a very general rule of thumb I would guess about 1000 cycles for NMC batteries.
Sorry, aber ich bin noch nicht überzeugt.
Die Daten sind nicht extern verifiziert (was branchenüblich wäre), Donut Lab hat keine Patente oder wissenschaftliche Publikationen zur Batterietechnik. Die Website hat nicht einmal ein Impressum... Ich bin gespannt was da in dem Motorrad kommt...
The new rebate applies to lower-income households, but those usually don't buy new cars in the first place. In fact, most new cars in Germany aren't bought by individuals, but companies, so I expect little effect.
EU limits on fleet emissions are probably the most effective intervention.
Does the VW ID4 count as compact in the US? ^^
Otherwise, the Volvo EX30 comes to mind... But that one's rather new in the US, so used cars will take some time to become more affordable.
Maybe Hyundai Kona electric?
I'm no fan of hydrogen in cars. But besides Toyota, there is Hyundai offering the Nexo and BMW with the upcoming X5 in 2028.
None of them offer a substantial range advantage, though, while suffering from many disadvantages as @techconnectify.bsky.social pointed out.
Inzwischen gibt es gebrauchte Elektroautos schon sehr günstig. Noch nicht in jedem Segment, aber zumindest ab der Kompaktklasse.
Was fährt dein Umfeld denn so?
Including charging losses, even a mid-sized SUV will only need about 20 kWh/100km. That's 7,40€ fuel cost per 100 km. Cheaper rates are available, e.g. for night charging, switching provider or by installing solar.
EV prices have dropped substantially last year, may I ask what you are driving now?
Italy has one of the highest home ownership rates in Europe at about 75%. For most of these people, an EV should be cheaper overall by now.
The others, who rely on public infrastructure, probably need to wait for a different government...
I just checked, the Leapmotor t03 is available at 18 900 € in Belgium, if you don't mind it being Chinese, it's all around a much better deal than the 25k Fiat.
I'm not familiar with the market in Belgium, but in Germany, prices are getting closer, starting in the higher segments. New models of BMW and Mercedes are comparable to ICE prices. Skoda Elroq and Karoq are nearly identical... Only small cars with good range aren't available at reasonable prices :(
That's exactly why I exposed China previously. China controls like 90% of the world's lithium refinement capacity. They hold most patents on LFP technology (a cheap and reliable cathode chemistry). They have an edge right now, but even in Europe consumer prices of ICE and EVs are converging.
What? I thought electricity is cheap in the US compared to Europe?!
What's your electricity cost per kWh and usual gas price?
Example for my place: driving my ICE car costs about 11 cents per km for fuel. Compare that to 31 cents/kWh and 0.17 kWh/km. It's about half the fuel cost at ~5,3 cents/km.
Isn't it convenient to call people clueless instead of coming up with an actual argument? ^^
Solar and EVs are investments with positive returns in most settings. If you have an old solar installation, I guess you have a garage or carport, too? So you can charge at home? In that case, an EV is probably cheaper for you in the long run, the question is more about convenience and range.
Cars were always made for transportation. Sure, there are emotional aspects to them that are based on early impressions. That's why resistance to EVs is now prevalent in old people. Young people without those distorted memories see EVs for what they are: the better product.
With current battery prices, production cost can be the same now. However, setting up new production lines, developing new platforms and geopolitical risks make EVs still more expensive outside of China at this time in most segments. Most of these factors will change in the coming decade.
At this point I have to wonder if you are serious or doing a false flag... Because I never saw any real person seriously promoting forced measures in this context. I considered it a boogie man of the right that has no basis in reality.