I like the being able to track the data. We all have allsorts of interests. I haven't been to China but spend a crazy amount of time and knowledge about chargers and networks in China.

Ok cool. it just felt a bit on me in your rants.😜
I'm a reasonable fan of Tesla though as I think they do a lot of things right with the building of chargers and the integration to their cars and do/did great for EV adoption.

I'm happy to engage but you make it difficult by ignoring what I'm saying. I don't think you a weirdo many want to pay with card, I agree. They need to have that. I have always said that.
Also (as the UK has all card payments for DC chargers now) people also want PnC and to a less extent apps.

That's fine. Your choice is to pay by card. You can opt out of the other options PnC and apps. The only option you don't have to pay by cash, maybe you want that oldest, most tried and tested system too.

Walmart are the worst example of the new chargers. Fancy new Alpi HYC400 units but no card readers. And they will have huge network too.

Yes, pay by card, PnC or an app is best for DC charging.

My gripe is why are automakers, CPO, charging hardware having so many problems implementing PnC. The specifications are sound, they should be able to sort it.

I don't understand that is true. I think there should be choices. PnC, card payment & apps to start a charge. You seem to be against that. ok PnC isn't for you but for lots of people it is a better solution and you want to take dream away from them.

Not necessary is true. for DC there should be a card payment option. card readers though are the number issue of broken chargers now on modern hardware (Internet connection needed, etc)
PnC is useful though are you saying don't have that as well? Baffling if you are.

It sounds like because Tesla popularised/'invented' PnC that's the reason you don't like it? I hope you are not saying that. The world is a big place many EV owners see a future of PnC everywhere.
EU mandating PnC compatibility with new level2 chargers , UK has card readers. Who is right?

There are 3 ways to pay for public (AC/DC) charging. PnC, cards or apps. What do you like see in the future? All, a combination?
If every car, charger hardware, CPO, payment emobilty, etc had PnC isn't that good?? Seamless charging is not just 'flashy' it is useful.

I'm not sure I get the gripe with Tesla here. Sure the idea behind plug&charge was popularise by Tesla that does Level2 as well. But you think it is useful and see the problems with Level2 card readers everywhere

I know but it is chicken and egg. I would like both.
Even new networks using alpi hardware don't have card readers and only through an app. No plug and charge, no card reader only an app.
I'm looking at you Walmart!!

People want to have card readers on their network. Imagine the hassle Tesla has with that in todays climate on top of anti EV vandals.

I believe the plug and charger standards are more reliable.
There is no Internet connection to fail that causes many card readers to fail and card readers still are not great out the wilds of nature.
It is the major point of failure on modern EV chargers now.

Card reader though are now one of the major points of failure on chargers.
That is the issue here too.
They need to have them but also they need to be robust. Why so many failures, it is really common.
I helps Tesla uptime where they don't have them but they rolling out new payment station per site

Yes they have done a good job of that and other CPOs have done a poor job in the past.

I am talking about 'Plug & Charge' the ISO 15118.x standard.
Tesla didn't invent that or have anything to do with it really.
There is also Autocharge another similar but old inferior standard.

I DO think they need card readers as well. Give options. That is the best way. I think a lot of people want that plug & charge and some like you are not bothered.
It has been promised for many years now by manufactures but slow to come out, that is my complaint, they have been slow to implement.

I'm in the UK where they all chargers need to have card readers by law. It is the right way to go.
But I understand ease of use of tesla to just plugin, walk away, also have card readers, then apps.
Plug & charge for other EVs has been so slow though they need to do better (CPOs, chargers & cars)

Thanks you for being so gracious.
I think both 'sides' can be quick to judge.
I worry about posting positive things here about superchargers as I will get shot down no matter how I word it.
I do have admiration for Tesla building the supercharger network and setting reliability standards for others

Thanks for engaging. My main interest/specialization is chargers. I don't own a Tesla or Tesla stock.
The point I was making is that most of the time 400V chargers are fine for most EVs in the world. China has got to EV revolution with 65% of the DC chargers under 120kW. Most cars don't do 800V.

The biggest EV maker in the world BYD has only in the last made a 800V car. 90% of the EVs in the world are 400V.
Tesla behind the curve for sure. I expect once they get a meaningful network they will make these cars. But I know much about cars my (unhealthy) area of interest is chargers.

They install more chargers in the US than the top 20 CPOs combined last year.
They have started installing all the high powered stuff (and have the old stock partly built so will still see some going online) but only new high powered being made.

They only make 1000V 500kW stuff now. They are installing them, they will be 'pumping' them going forward.

Tesla have stopped make the 400V charging equipment.
They only make 1000V 500kW stuff now.
There is still innovation there.

Alpitronic are not dominating installs over Tesla. Doing really well but Tesla install more than them in the US by far.

Alpitronic make great standalone units.
Standalone though are not really the future and are old tech. The vast majority of the world's high powered chargers are distributed setups.
Alpi are going that way too with the HYC1000. Which is pretty much the same as the Tesla V4 stall & cabinets.

February 2026 China EV charger numbers:
21.01 million total chargers in China
16.176 million private (up 279k from last month) offering 141 GW
4.834 million public (up 33k from last month) offering 229 GW
from the EVCIPA (China Charging Alliance)

NATO would not be there in hours, it would take weeks.
I doubt they would help anyway.
Also NATO would be split up further so I'm not sure what would be left.
The European NATO members would need to have all their defences looking at Russia.

It is difficult in most countries to get averages my quick look at random ones in Germany it seemed the average was more than 0.60 probably more like 0.70 I know some others like @electricfelix.bsky.social tend to feel it high too.