Exactly.

It just occurred to me: Your evasive answer suggests that you have now fully understood the problem, even if you don't want to admit it. In addition, you are constantly making intensive use of personal insults. All of this is destructive. I therefore see no further point in this discussion.

You seem to be looking exclusively at a very narrow technical aspect, which is completely irrelevant here. Read my first post again carefully, which I just quoted again. Pay attention to the non-technical aspect!

For me technology, including protocols, is not an end in itself for me. It is not a question of who designs the best protocol.

Instead, the goal should be how we can achieve to communicate on social networks without boundaries.
And create the technology for this, including compatibility.

I find it sad that there are these trench battles: My social network is better! My protocol is better! Compatibility only helps the others, let's create boundaries instead! Let's eradicate the others!

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And occasionally I point out that I find it impractical and a missed opportunity that you can't simply participate in all the different social networks like #bluesky, #mastodon, #threads, ... with just one single account.

I am a supporter of open systems that can all communicate with each other.

Again, the point is that the power at #bluesky lies centrally with Bluesky Social, PBC (and its VC). Really read my posts again more carefully.

I am by no means saying that #mastodon is perfect.

I just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding and point out that #bluesky is not #decentralized, see my initial post in this thread. That's all.

Sorry for upsetting you. Especially since I didn't mean to criticize your admiration for #atproto.

In practice, this is of no use if the new PDS and the network only cover 1% of users, and 99% of users are still in the isolated old ecosystem.

Again, even the best technical protocol cannot solve the non-technical monopoly problem.

I would not pin my hopes for an open social network on the assumption that any external server will somehow continue to have access to the data in real time if the monopolistic operator has decided to prevent this.

I mean all components operated and controlled by #bluesky. These can simply block alternative relays/appgviews.

In general, even if it is always a race, if the operator of an application wants to control who can and who cannot access their own data, then they always have the upper hand in the end.

Where exactly did you explain the technical details of this specific point?

With this very detailed comment peppered with technical details, you not only answered my question, but also demonstrated a deep technical understanding of #atproto.😉

Breaking what?

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I suspect yes, or perhaps even is already, but it is only used by 1e-23 of all users, and is therefore cool for nerds, but irrelevant for everyone else. People are lazy and are not interested in technical details. And it is completely understandable.

Again, none of this will help if 99% of users are completely on #bluesky's infrastructure and #bluesky decides one day to shut itself off from the outside. Then the situation will be the same as with #twitter today.

And even simply refusing to communicate with certain endpoints is not a violation of the protocol design.

#bluesky can easily isolate all of its own servers from the outside world, including other servers, except for communication limited to its own front-end applications and limited to actions and read-views. This is a standard setup for many cloud applications anyway for security reasons.

Others don't leave #bluesky, for convenience and because they would lose their entire social network. Same problem as with #twitter.

#atproto is great, but free yourself from the one-dimensional technical perspective. Technology can't solve every non-technical problem.

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If the PDSs, relays etc. of #bluesky refuse to communicate with the PDSs, relays etc. you use, then your followers, who are practically all still on #bluesky, will no longer be able to see your posts and vice versa. You have lost your social network. This has nothing to do with the protocol itself.

What is funny is the definition of AGI in the contracts with Microsoft based on commercial sales.

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If a "turned bad" provider that hosts 99% of users cuts you off and prevents communication with all other providers, you will lose your social network, despite the great #atproto.

I know I'm repeating myself again, but I'm at a loss as to how I can explain it more clearly. What exactly is unclear?

You once mentioned that you are a software developer? To speak your language, perhaps the following will help you: bsky.app/profile/folk...

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It seems to me that it would be really helpful if everyone had the opportunity to really understand how things really work in reality and what the consequences are, beyond marketing phrases like #decentralization or "can easily leave it without that service cooperating".

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