I really thought that pattern was going to break this election cycle (either with the public settling for Reform's Nazi-libertarian economy or for the Greens' Green new deal economy), but it seems like the dam is not ready to burst *just* yet.
I guess that's in line with recent British history, but it's a bit sad that the U.K. public has been settling for stagnation and austerity for the better part of 2 decades just because "at least it's not as bad as a Tory recession!"
I suppose, I'm just not sure what kind of economic miracle people are expecting from Starmer xD
But isn't Reform/Labour somewhat rebounding? The Reform polling slump is obvious but I really can't explain why the Greens are now faltering while Labour is recovering. Has Labour done something that made them more appealing?
Gee who could've foreseen that? It's almost as if this happens literally every single time a foreign regime attempts regime change with only airstrikes.
Anyone who supported this war because "I hate Iran" is stupid - this war has done nothing but strengthen their position as an authoritarian state.
They're a bit partisan, obviously, but I do think that there's one piece of info we can gleam from this: PSOE is gaining from Vox.
Personally, I think this is entirely down to Sanchez refusing to allow Trump to use Spanish bases for his war against Iran. That's all it took to de-radicalize lol.
I love mainstream American media. Their partisanship is so fucking obvious yet everyone still has to pretend like they are "neutral" and "unbiased" for whatever reason.
They think you're stupid.
>invites Netanyahu to come to Hungary
>declares Netanyahu will be arrested if he comes to Hungary
lol
I'm sorry but we've gotten to a point where you're just straight-up lying about the dude and are ignoring recent events - I'm muting this thread because I really can't be bothered to argue with a cynical brick wall that can't even get the basic facts straight.
>>he's not said or done anything in the last two years since he left Fidesz that signals change.
Yeah besides running a successful opposition campaign and up-ending the corrupt Hungarian political system
>>He was the Permanent Representation of Hungary to the EU.
Lol what the fuck are you talking about? You are literally just saying lies in order to "win" this argument.
Did ChatGPT generate that fact for you? Because I have to use the age old trick: source, bro?
In fact you have to wonder why he even resigned if he already supposedly had a cushy ministerial job lmao. Every single Fidesz minister is probably corrupt - him resigning and leaving the party meant, essentially, giving up a comfortable life for essentially nothing but a clear consciousness.
1. He wasn't a "minister", he was a low-level diplomat. He lived in Brussels until 2018 - his WIFE was a minister, but he divorced her after she pardoned pedos.
2. Despite that, are people not allowed to change? Or are you one of those Chuck McGill types that think only nature wins over nurture?
Yes, and now that Magyar has won, he has said completely different things than he had when he was campaigning.
Also what do you mean "I simply go by what people say and do"? Magyar hasn't done anything yet - he's not in office. Why are you pre-emptively judging him as "bad" for essentially nothing?
Rather than just going for the much more logical conclusion that the dude is just a liberal-conservative that got disillusioned by the ruling class, and managed to unite the country against the ruling class in order to reform the country.
But no yeah dude I'm sure he's secretly Putin or something.
As you can see, I am mocking you, because your cynical and pessimistic "theory" makes no goddamn fucking sense, and only works if you already have reached the conclusion that "Peter Magyar = bad" and are working backwards to corroborate that conclusion.
Also I'm sure having 3 children with a corrupt justice minister that he later DIVORCED was also just part of the plan.
Obviously, this was all pre-planned, decades in advance. The marriage, the kids - everything was all just so that Peter Magyar, the demon, could get into office!
But yeah dude I'm sure your super secret James Bond spy movie plot of "THIS WAS ALL SECRETLY A POLITICAL PLOY TO GET ANOTHER FAR-RIGHT PERSON IN OFFICE AFTER FIDESZ, BECAUSE UHH UMMM IDK ORBAN WASN'T RIGHT-WING ENOUGH OR SOMETHING" is MUCH more realistic and in-line with reality!
And I'm saying you are a fool to be so fucking pessimistic, and to apply American and English cynicism about politics to European politics.
I'm not saying he's suddenly going to become a democratic socialist, I'm saying that's it's not wrong to say he's "center-right", contrary to your statement.
Yes, exactly. My point was that he was lying in order to get the 2/3rd majority and now he can be more liberal once he doesn't have to campaign for brainwashed authoritarian sheeple.
Like dude it's not that hard to understand lol, stop trying to strawman xd
Once he dismantles that media oligarchy, he will no longer need to pretend to be some kind of Fidesz-lite politician, I can promise you that.
Like Orban also said he hates immigrants and he invited hundreds of thousands of migrant workers anyways - clearly it's possible to do both.
I'm sorry but did you forget that politicians can just... lie to get elected?
Everything he said was molded by the fact that 80% of the country's media is owned by Orban and his right-wing fascist party that set the agenda (that agenda being anti-immigrant fascism)
There's a difference - Magyar "promised" little and seemingly wants to actually achieve a lot, Starmer and Biden promised a lot and seemingly want to do nothing.
British and American political cynicism doesn't universally apply to European politics, sorry.
Hence, his immediate U-turn on Israel, or his "neutrality" on Ukraine/Russia. My point is that he's going to be more and more moderate the more he makes the nation not subservient to Viktor Orban's talking points.
No, but my point was that a lot of his supposed "conservative" positions were just there in order to sway right-wing former Fidesz voters. If he didn't get those voters, he wouldn't have a 2/3rds majority to do anything basically, and now that he has it, he can drop those fake positions.
If the Democrats had three free wishes from a genie, they'd negotiate it down into only one wish, and only on the condition that the Republicans also get one free wish, as a show of bipartisanship or something.
If you fail at any and all attempts at spreading the idea, then it might as well be 🤷♂️
It isn't. The public hysteria that they're "just Orban with a different shade of paint" is nothing more than a political lie in order to not fuck over their chances to win a 2/3rds majority to un-fuck the nation.
Now that that's over it, turns out Magyar is much more left-wing than thought lol.
