My point is really simple, stealing is bad. There are times when I can understand why someone is compelled to do it, and I do not think it should ruin people's lives, but it is not a political statement. Social trust is important and anyone advocating breaking it more, has deeply suspect ideals

nope...I have not done that

As for these studies, once is fom Bagladesh which is a country with really different circumstnces than the US. The type of food insecurity is different so Im not comforable drawing conclusions from that. The other is all theroy and doesnt look at actual crime. That is not 95%

Except this ignores that rich kids are so much less likely yo face real consequences for theft than poor people, as they have lawyers and are often white.

Did you even read the article we are talking about.. also do you have evidence for this, you have stats that say that 95% of the people shoplifting are simply doing to survive? or are you just making that up...

yeah im not doing that...

again this is not what this conversation is about. If the question is, should unhoused people be thrown in prision for shoplifting food, the answer would be a resounding NO. but if the question is, should a rich kid not pay for something from whole foods because Bezos is an olligarch..its different

YES AND THAT IS BAD. That is the entire point. It is bad that social trust is erroding. We do need to hold people to account and one of the reasons is because of the impact it is having in destroying that social contract.

I am sick of conservatives like you coming into these conversations and ruining them. The solution to large structural problems like wealth inequality and the concentration of power in a few mega rich people is large scale institutional change not individual action.

yes I have and no i am not. this article is about people saying stealing is praxis, thats what this conversation is about...Justifying rich kids stealing to "send a message" with "what about straving people who need food" is really disrespectful to those in need.

the solution to hunger is not "just have people steal more" and that your whole screed is based on that tells me you are not interested in helping people who are hungry. you just want an excuse to steal things

that's a whole lot of words to explain why rich kids should be allowed to shop lift because its "praxis" i am happy to have a conversation about how we should no criminally prosecute people who steal out of desperation. something being bad doesnt mean it needs to be criminal but its still bad

This is why in cant take people like this seriously. stealing is bad. the social order would be worse if people just steal things. my statement is childish becsuer it something that a child can grasp and doesn't need to be complicated.

First, No stealing is bad. It would be a much worse world if people decided to just steal things because they think they are entitled to them. Second, it would be one thing to say we should be limited in how much we punish people for shoplifting but that isnt what they said, instead its praxis.

I would say it is quite a bit worse in sports. You don't see that many actual physical fights in gaming. Hockey has fighting written into the rules. Baseball players regually throw a ball at another players head if they think the other player celebrated too much.

I said it before, but I feel like you need to work Caitlin Clark into any Indiana headline

to be clear I am not saying the current moment is good or anything close to that, just that it isnt unprecedented to be living in tumultuous times

I am aware and I am more than happy to be an asshole here. saying I know the kids i work with can cope with their phones and social media is the kind of thing that makes me extremely uncomfortable and i think it is incredibly destructive to say.

You're welcome. happy to help

yeah everyone should...

and I simply do not think you are correct. maybe they think they can cope but I do not belive the human mind was built to handle having many to many communication in your pocket at all times.

im saying that the teens of today are worse off more because of their phones and social media than because of something inherently worse about the world

im not trying to be cheeky. do you not think that the constant influx if sering people in their best filtered moments (instagram) has a pretty major impact on why kids are not able to imagine a better future?

The change is the phones. its having all this info on you at all times to make you feel worse

Yes but I am at the upper most age range for that and there were a large swath of people who came of age a bit later for whom 2008 wasnt a pivotal memory and they are seeing the same thing. Just the same there were plenty of people older than us who had massive economic issues too

not really no. being in highschool in 2008 made it seem like those things were noy happening

what does this mean?

i was giving an example of a 3rd space that has become more limited...

maybe if you are white and male. maybe.

But if thats the case we need to be very lear about who we are talking about as young people. If you have strong memories of Obama 08, you are at a minimum in your 30s which is not really what I think of as the youth.