Running a news organisation tastes great if you don’t have experienced people in your ear telling you you’re partisan

Return of the war chopper.

Yep I tried dates and lots of the words Im afraid

Sorry but I can’t seem to find that post.

Sure no problem I miss you guys too

This is exactly how Alfonso Curon described children of men when he was asked about it’s prescience

No but I check occasionally

Every clique gets their Jesus. That’s the deal.

The point about alienation is a LOT of the people who couldn’t vote for labour couldn’t because they are the people labour are now actively hostile to, the people labour declared an intention to further marginalise. And that’s every party for lots of people now. So who do I vote for? No one.

My biggest objection is to phrasing it as “disappointing” when it doesn’t square with him being in informed and intelligent person, how could he not realise this is not only what he voted for, but before that he spent 5 years making sure the Labour Party was this?

Like, just rubbing in someone’s face that they are completely politically alienated while you are only partly politically alienated. Doesn’t do much but let you revel in your slightly higher social status, while also being wrong.

How do that make a difference? They are correct, this is what Starmer has always stood for and as they say the rest of the Labour Right. It’s the purpose and animus of the people who tried to over turn the labour rights control of labour in 2015.

Update: The quiet is no longer nice.

We’re going to need more hotdog suits.

It’s incredible that dedicated Stamerites still think the media is unreasonable with them.

Everyone should check out the work of Ethan Shone and Adam Ramsey for Open Democracy. They are for me, top working journalists who’ve been answering this question for a number of years now. That it’s even a question seems extremely naive at this point.

Noah smith saw a mediocre white dude that everyone hates and was like "I identify with this"

Wait until you hear about Fleet Street.

Will you apologise to anyone who told you that this is why they found the “it’s nice isn’t it. The quiet” comment so naive and ignorant. You called them far right bots, or silly, but they were entirely correct and you were very wrong?

I don’t think actually being able to speak to people in poverty, is irrelevant to understanding politics. I think it’s vital actually. I’m trying to understand how you have such profound blind spots and I thought that could be it.

When was the last time you personally interacted with someone in povety, excluding service industry workers? Just out of curiosity.

Wouldn’t care to hazard a guess Steven. All I can see if the facts me before. Things like this tend to be ideological, but you could easily be pathological liar who enjoys the power trip of it. No real way for me to know.

I mean that’s the thing isn’t it. All the evidence was there. And has been for a long time. But people like Steve who are paid to study it, embarrassingly, seem to be constantly caught of guard by events which everyone else sees coming?

Also in 4 years that could be several thousand suicides so, those people specifically will not find out if things do get better. They will have died for it.

Disabled people who’ve been though this exact same thing before? They would probably know.

It’s been around a decade of them being correct about basically everything though?

Is it annoying to you that all the anon weirdos who can barely string a sentence together, have little formal education, and basically do this as a hobby were absolutely correct and you have been shown to have little productive insight?

It's funny how the Blue Labour "left economics and social conservatism" types are basically invisible whenever Labour are doing austerity but desperate to yell into any available microphone on culture issues

I mean, you would *think* this would cause Discourse. What it instead prompted was months of televised roaring in fury at the unfairness and surely cheating that caused e.g. Ashworth to lose his seat.

Why would I “go after” someone who will never agree with me?