New open-access paper out in Trends in Cognitive Sciences:
Explanation, scope, and perspective: sources of schismogenesis in consciousness science
Francesco Ellia & Naotsugu Tsuchiya
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Spearheaded by Adam Barrett we tried to tackle some of the challenges of IIT.
We confront aspects worth delving into, with an incredible team of collaborators, inc. Pedro Mediano, @frosas.bsky.social, Daniel Bor, Lionel Barnett, and @anilseth.bsky.social.
Clarke's third law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
this is one other: @janzimmermann.bsky.social
yeah, actually LO1 as it's usually defined may not even really have peripherally-tuned units, even at 6deg. could be that all peripheral sensitivity is still for centrally-selective cells.
so that might explain a lot of the falloff: can't have retinotopic connectivity if there's no retinotopy.
super interesting tractography study showing fine retinotopic connectivity between occipital visual areas, but only in certain circumstances (maybe full-field in early VC - though they only went out 6deg - but only foveal beyond V3?).
yeah i also wondered if the linear binning could explain some of it, though that S3 figure makes the changes look so drastic that i can't see how glomming more eccentric bins would change it much.
well you've got your V3v, your V3d, your V3s A and B..
yeah not even the anisotropy - look at supplementary fig 3 - while V1-V3 are still connected in retinotopic lock-step at 6deg, V1 and LOC have gone from a tight retinotopic connection to nothing at all.
thanks for sharing this, the most interesting thing to me is that inter-areal connectivity in the periphery is not retinotopic at all..? *except* in the v1/2/3 complex where things stay in register as far out as they measured.
[PDF downloadable for free!] Latest paper from our lab and Qualia Structure. "Explanation, scope, and perspective: sources of schismogenesis in consciousness science": Trends in Cognitive Sciences www.cell.com/trends/cogni...
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"We are wrong because we started the war" should be the anchor point for all coverage of what's happening and it's remarkable how quickly that tends to get obscured.
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I'm sorry, Guido.
i had never considered this :|
also why are you all calling it kiwi *skin*, is 'peel' an americanism or something? i never realized
i was an adult before i learned that people typically peel the things. the peel is delicious.
I think about this Tony Benn speech much more than I used to
How can I help?
it's a great image, though i think the painting doesn't quite live up to it
Where did all you zombies come from!?
Take me down to the Parallax city where the far moves slow and the near moves quickly
first i look at your figures & tables; then i read your figure captions; then i peruse your methods and results to better understand your figures & tables. i probably don't read your intro or disc at all unless you cited me and/or i'm in a bad mood.
I love this so much. After pushback on his recent "Medicine is the only field that reaches 6 sigma" with "my field, psychophysics is so awesome" he posted this. Hurray all Psychophysicists. LETS CELEBRATE PSYCHOPHYSICS. An island of large effects is us!
my only advice is not to fall off the faculty track and get stuck simply "doing science" - i'm now getting paid less than new postdocs *in my lab* ("the lab i am in") 🤦♂️
either become a professor or get a real job, don't take the in-between if you want $$$, that's my ted talk
Jacob Frey: "To ICE -- get the fuck out of Minneapolis"
yes - but leaning towers illusion?
unless function and/or computation are inflated to cover *anything* a connected system does (typical move for computation, less for function - i think)
but if you carefully divorce the concept of 'pain' from its normal functional role (the 'painfulness of pain'), no i don't think IIT can be taken to require any particular functional organization for 'feeling pain'
i don't know this stuff well at all, but it seems that basing the definition around something like "pain" - which has very strong functional connotations - is different from basing it around "consciousness"
