I thought that was her point! Maybe not.

"Sometimes" is doing a lot of work in that sentence lol

And now I'm blocking you because it's time to take out the trash.

Lol, we know you don't care if people get hurt unless you can exploit them to polish your "left" credentials but that, my dear online friend, is why you are illiberal and why you are on the same side as MAGA.

And punching at illiberal numptys like you isn't punching left. *None of you are left*. You're right wing stooges with a rhetorical mask.

You & the other "left" stupids like you are why Harris lost, Gaza doesn't exist anynore, the WB is worse than ever and all those school kids are dead in Iran.

It's the "Free Palestine" crowd's fault. All of it. You didn't show up when you were needed.

That's not "angst", little boy. It's FURY.

You think because Bibi does war crimes that means the people in Israel have no actual threats and that a single state would be a democracy.

You are precious. Dumb AF, but truly precious.

I'm female, young, and 30x smarter than you, fascist. Go hang out at the rape academy with the rest of your douchebag gender.

You'd love your idea of democracy. You DGAF that your fantasy *might* last 20 minutes before it was back to the wars of the 60s for the people who live there, just like none of you cared what inflicting Trump on Gaza would do. You can't tell the difference between politics and a summer blockbuster.

Lol the other side is as armed as they want to be; the other side includes Hezbollah and Iran. Both sides are illiberal zealots, just like you.

You can pretend saying you're "left" is a free pass but all illiberals are the same, no matter what lies you tell to justify yourselves.

You're not looking for Palestinians to have liberal institutions and a functioning economy and be part of the intl community; you're looking for them to have all the territory and vengeance.

That makes you as illiberal as Bibi, who wants that same thing for his team. You all suck.

The Palestinian right has proven the same thing; you're just picking one bunch of right-wing extremist crap over the other one. Illiberal AF.

So what? There's no such thing as a moral state. Human beings in the aggregate are shit. Your purity is just leverage for populist illiberals to make everything even worse. Get a clue.

You're getting off to an impossible counterfactual that pragmatically boils down to violence and siding with right-wing extremists. But we are all supposed to think you're smart and moral. ROTFLMAO. You're just another bog-standard illiberal thug who can't get your ego out of your politics.

Yup. And that's illiberalism, because not only does it give the right-wingers on both sides an excuse to block pragmatic process, both Israelis AND PALESTINIANS have been polled and don't want it.

But leftists DGAF about peace and democracy if they can be smug about their "ideological purity".

You say it 1/10th as much as you slur "Zionists" and call to dismantle Israel. You tolerate 1 state fantasies and stoke populist hostility. All illiberalism.

Sure. They should recognize a Palestinian state and extradite their fascist govt to the Hague too. They won't, but international leftists could be demanding that instead of just adopting right-wing Arab fever dreams. They won't, because they're illiberal populists too. Like I said.

(The liberal case is recognizing a Palestinian state on the 48 borders immediately and letting the settlers either move or be Palestinian, but of course all the illiberal 1 staters - left and right, all ethnicities - make excuses for not doing that.)

Let's hear you defend how "Patriots v Israelis" isn't illiberal instead rotfl.

Her thesis seems to be that Reagan was short-sighted are the Middle East in a way that facilitated Al Qaeda. Your list doesn't disprove that, at least.

Doesn't that kind of prove her point that he had a problematic vision of foreign policy?

No, because he is making the illiberal populist case for why. (That one leads logically to the Arab-right-wing shibboleth of dismantling Israel as a state.) Thanks for asking.

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I should say, "antisemitic" or "Zionist" or whatever cliquish one-statey slur they want to use. Cenk would say Zionist but it's the same diff.

Israel is either a gestalt, good or bad, or it's an ordinary country with a shitty gov't (just like us.) Bad faith people always go with the former.

SUCH AN EXCELLENT POINT

Sorry Cenk, the 2026 dividing line is liberal v illiberal. Guess we know which side you're on!

That's always been the tell of good faith: how the person reacts to your saying whatever about the Israeli *gov't*. If criticizing JUST Bibi = "that's antisemitic", you have this person. If they're like, "yes 100%, Ben Gvir belongs UNDER the Hague," you have someone serious (likely a 2 stater).

100% correct.

This is objectively correct but the president being a dick to the pope registered with my pro-Trump family members in a way that they're too obstinate on what they imagine about immigration to otherwise note.

Concupiscence, baby. They're Catholic. They like Leo. They think being mean to him is mean

It's Spinosaurus what are you people ON?