Anno: Oh, I’m critical of Porco Rosso, myself.
Tomino: What was wrong with Porco?
Anno: As a picture, nothing. But because I know Miyazaki-san personally, I can’t view it
objectively. His presence in the film is too conspicuous, it’s no good. In other words... it feels like
he’s showing off.
Tomino: How so?
Anno: He has the main character act all self-deprecating, calling himself a pig... but then puts
him in a bright red plane, has him smoking all cool-like, even creates a love triangle between a
cute young thing and a sexy older lady.
Tomino: Ha! I see what you mean. He and | are around the same age, though. So I get how he
feels, unconditionally. So I may think, “Oh boy...” but I can’t stay mad at him (laughs).
Anno gets a little too into talking about underpants, and Tomino of all people has to check hit
Anno: From my point of view, he’s being very presumptuous. Tomino-san, you put so much of
yourself into your works, it is like you’re dancing naked in them. I like that! (balls fists) In Miya-
san’s recent works, he makes you fhink he’s dancing naked... but on second glance, you realize
he’s still wearing underpants. (getting carried away) I hate that! I feel like shouting: “Take it all
off!” (getting really carried away) And to add insult to injury... he’s wearing fancy underpants!
Tomino: You don’t beat around the bush. We get it, we get it already.
Anno: (shrinking) Excuse me.
Tomino: i do get what you mean, and i don’t mean to play devil’s advocate for Miyazaki, but...
generally speaking, that’s just how you get when you age. It’s the same for me, surely. That was
my first time hearing it put so frankly... but you get what I mean already. It does feel nice letting
it all hang out, waving your dick around. That’s how movies ought to be!
Anno: Yes, I agree. I don’t like it when people try to obscure themselves like that. If you’re
gonna wave your dick around, wave it all around! If you don’t have the guts to do that, then wear the best clothing you can.
Tomino: Right... Dress yourself to the nines!
Anno: Commit yourself to putting on a show. He couldn’t do that. I felt betrayed. Like, this guy isn't really naked!
i think often about this discussion between Yoshiyuki Tomino and Hideaki Anno. it's one of the funniest ways anyone has ever talked about restraint vs self indulgence in art.