And just like that, the whites are in my mentions

His own production assistant from the time Mark Evanier said so, who’s the direct source for most backround info from the time besides actual Kirby interviews.

Tbh that only applies to some Forever People stuff where fitting in and youth is applied to Clark really well.

Becuase he needed a lunchpad and Jimmy Olsen had no creative team and was about to be cancelled, therefor he wouldn’t be stepping on anyone’s toes. A Bendis of his time.

I don’t think he considered Superman part of the Fourth World

doubt it, he didint like guest appearances in Fourth World books and there’s none in New Gods at all. Hunger Dogs also doesn’t have any none New Gods in it. I don’t think it was something Kirby wanted to do.

+ his relationship with Forever People is actually fleshed out and 100x more intresting

I don’t think this makes a lot of sense, New Gods was a Marvel pitch to start, it was meant to be a limited series where the characters would end defintley (maybe die), he fought not to include guest appearances, and Clark and Darkseid never even met under Kirby’s pen

Why is there any arguement on if Kirby wanted Darkseid to be a Superman villian, he didint, that’s the answer

Getting off topic to actual Darksied stuff, which is what he’s talking about, in which no obviously Kirby’s intent wasent Darkseid being a Superman villian.

Superman/Forever People stuff is great tho, and this goes back to first issue of Forever People. Fun stuff.

The publication connection is already there based on their first appearance, character wise it’s simply not tho. It’s tangential at best, the characters don’t even meet in person until toy tie in comics more than a decade later iirc.

Arguement is immediately faulty due to the fact that the New Gods weren’t supposed to be a ongoing thing, it was meant to be a limited series that ended with them dying. A limited series in which Kirby was completely against guest characters, including big blue

Not written by Kirby, in a side book, nothing actually happens, plus he’s not even on model he’s fucking pink.

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Ong, he didint sell out he sold in

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