EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

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Scumbag father scumbag daughter and scumbag fraudster son as well in that house

The only bright spot being that the scammer son scammed the father out of 10s of 1000s as well as others

I am older than many in here ...but my mind is still razor sharp

I remember when Tony Blair seemed human for instance and we were optimistic about him

And when David Icke was on Grandstand talking about footy

Maybe David was right about Tony now I think about it haha

Easy to say now ...when you are eating cold beans out of a can and wearing socks on your hands to stay warm you won't be feeling the same way

Have you ever seen Threads?

That would be better than Polanski in No 10

Both are late 70s early 80s ... Eton Rifles was 79 and The Jam disbanded in 1982 lol

Bat Out Of Hell was released in 1977

The only 8 tracks I would have ever seen were on a Scalextric at my only rich mates when I was a kid

Labour Party member so they would be my preference but are unelectable currently

Tories are scum and toxic and will be for yrs

Reform are toxic chancers obviously but would be forced to do something abt immigration

Greens are grifters and their views on immigration NATO and nuclear power huge no

At least the music scene would be good enough to take my mind off the politics

The beauty pageant in 2029 might be to choose between 2 of the ugliest most populist grifters we've ever seen

So you might get your wish for something different haha

I would crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentation of their women

Or

Just go back to how it was in the 90s ...that was the peak of civilisation

It's all been downhill since

But the UK is democratic...we get to vote in and out Boris Johnson and can do the same with Starmer

And Farage or Polanski if they win in 2029

How many of us EU citizens voted for Ursula VDL and who did she run against? Twice she's been appointed the leader of the EU

So why do you say you want to join the EU when it's the opposite of a citizen direct democracy?

If it was then I would agree with you and almost certainly wouldn't have voted leave...as I believe it would never be the corrupt inept racist nepotist organisation that it has become in that scenario

That definitely rules out the EU for the foreseeable future then as all the power is held by the unelected branches

To bat it back to u,which comes 1st a fully democratic and federal EU where we can vote in or out the leaders of it or joining what exists now

U have to hold your nose to say the 2nd

That's fine if you are imagining a scenario from Star Trek I suppose haha

But it's more likely to be one from Logans Run or Soylent Green I think

A New or One World Order certainly raises my hackles and makes me happy I won't be around to see it

The EU is so undemocratic it can't be them to start

If the UK votes to rejoin the EU in the future then I would probably leave ...even though I love it here and love the Brits

If they rejoined without a vote and doing the proper process I would 100% leave

Ironically to a country in the EU almost certainly as I'm too old now 2 move 2 Australia or NZ

Yes,I oppose the EU at it is in general now

Which wasn't the case 20 years ago for sure when I would be classed as 80% pro EU

After the GFC that started to move more towards the 50/50 ambivalent position

2016 I voted leave by a whisker 60-40

The behaviour of the EU (and some remainers) since 99%

Direction of travel of the EU

The way it treat my country after GFC...worse,the way it treat Greece

The overbearing attitude and obstinacy that the answer to everything was "more EU"

The ever growing membership "fee" coupled for an ever growing trade deficit

Lack of services integration

Why do you think I need to clutch straws?

1 The UK has left like I wanted so it's me who's where I want to be

2 I'm an EU citizen not a Brit so have no reason to deny reality

3 It's you desperate to change the situation not me ...so you're the one clutching at straws

Win a vote or stop whining

Aaaaaand right on cue the vile hypocritical remoaner blocks when their lies get nowhere

This is why they are such vile people who deserve nothing but contempt

What a sad old woman you are Gran

Brexit voters didn't deny you the "right" to free movement...the EU did that

Amazing you give leave voters the power to dictate EU policy

Such hypocrisy

I'm an EU citizen not a Brit and can tell you for a fact you are lying...as so many British EU supporters do

Democracy DOES allow us to change our mind ...we agree

We didn't change it in 2017 did we

Or 2019

Or 2024

You will have another chance to see if you're right in 2029 too

THAT'S democracy

So like I keep saying to all you haters of people having a vote ...Come back to me if you win one!!

I get blocked because none of you like facts

What mainstream political parties demanded another vote on whether we stayed in or out of the EEC in the 1970s or 80s? What groups of voters did so?l

The demand for a vote only started after Maastricht and the Lisbon Treaty

And Blair Clegg etc wanted 1

Of course ...we always are

But that applies to the remain side as well as you (should) know ...and votes of any kind

That doesn't mean the vote is in any way illegitimate

Especially as it has beem confirmed in 3 General Elections since

We can't have a rerun...if remain had won would we have?

Exactly right

Why can't europhiles win a vote and then you might have a point

Until you do it's just selfish whining isn't it

That's how we all felt about the leaders of the EU ...like Juncker and Ursula

So you should understand how we felt for decades

Alas it's clear you have no empathy so don't care

I do yes as they have behaved appallingly since the referendum

I don't have a problem with anyone voting remain back then ...just the vile remoaner types who wanted to disenfranchise voters

You are all terrible people

Who do you trust instead of him?

The EU is inept (and corrupt)

You must always factor this in to anything they propose or legislate for

Most people might SAY it (who knows who they are) but most won't VOTE for it

UK has grown exactly the same as France since Brexit ...and much more than Germany

So your mother was correct

Was actually £380 million a week extra the NHS got