He’s one of the weirdest men I’ve ever met, and has bad opinions for money and may even believe them I’m not sure

Monkeys get too much credit for being strong, if I had hands for feet and lived in a tree I’d be just as capable.

I’ve never read any of the stuff you refer to and don’t care, just pointing out she was 2nd best in the world having once been a mediocre man. Not controversial, no other point beside that about any other athletes or other sports. She’s unfortunately the only Olympic level case study.

I care about this one case that the original commenter referred to and getting facts and context right to
Make sure it’s not misleading. I’m not bothered about anything else at all.

In most sports yes, in weightlifting there’s a 50% difference between the real winner and the lowest finishing competitor with a completed lift in that weight class. LH was much nearer the winner in strength than last placed finisher. It is not marginal like a 100m sprint. So my point is important.

Original comment (much upvoted) misleadingly implies the best a trans athlete ever did was come last in the Olympics (no advantage) Disingenuous and aimed at people who won’t bother to check. My point is the best the same athlete ever did was come 2nd in the world championships (advantage).

No it almost exclusively is mentioned with the “came last” bit, which is unhelpful and ignorant, that’s my only point. And was the point the person made whose post I first commented on before all the nutters arrived!

Name one thing I’ve said that’s BS please.

Chill with the caps also, makes you look a bit loopy.

Fine, not arguing about policy, just saying LH is not a great case for your side of the argument. The fact that there are no other cases is a better argument, and people need to
forget LH.

All I’ve said is her Olympic placing needs context, that’s what everyone misses. Huge difference between being the worst, and getting DNF trying to win a medal (as is very common in weightlifting which is why it’s an exciting sport, and as happened to LH).

I never called her a man.

You’ve mistaken me for a bigot rather than someone pointing out that height exists. And height means extreme levels of weight gain are easier. And heavyweight weightlifting is partially about extreme and unhealthy levels of weight gain, hence advantage in that particular aspect. Undeniable surely.

No one is denying she came last. But she can’t be used as the case study for “trans people aren’t at an advantage and will always come last, see Hubbard example” sort of argument without acknowledging she got a world championship silver medal against all the same people she “came last” to

Correct, it’s a strength sport, and niche weight class which very few biological women can or want to compete in. If you miss lifts you get a DNF, and she had a bad day.

She was the 3-5th strongest in the world at the Olympics , not “the worst at the Olympics”, fixed it.

No one said that

Common argument, cited everywhere “one trans competitor ever, no advantage, came last”. The argument should Be “one trans competitor ever, won a world silver medal at world champs and should have easily been top 5 Olympics but flew close to
The sun” and that’s all. Not a controversial take.

6ft 1 and 150kg is achievable for 10% of men tall enough, then not that hard if you eat enough.

6ft 1 and 150kg is achievable for 1% of women tall enough, then add the weight and it becomes very rare.

She had the male advantage of height. In some sports it’s important. Not that difficult!

I said she could have won bronze, no one else in the world could have won gold. I’m just saying the “she came dead last” argument doesn’t work, she was the 3-5th best lifter at the Olympics, 2nd at world champs

So. Someone who competes in weightlifting (me, albeit nowhere near Hubbard level, m or f) or someone who’s an Egyptologist (you), who knows more about the sport of weightlifting and how it works?

You of course! Beware the troll!!

You clearly have no awareness of weightlifting. The weightlifting world record is achievable only by one Chinese athlete, who won gold, with a few athletes in the world about 15% behind, the rest 30%+ behind.

Literally yes, I’ve said that.

Learn about the sport. She could have easily lifted 110-115 and come 5th, probably could have lifted low 100s, potentially 90s just to qualify. She tried 125 for third place, missed so DNF. She came 2nd at a world championships, and her comp record would be enough for Olympic silver.

I’m not for the Olympics ban, and not targeting anyone? I’m just saying Hubbard is a poor example and shouldn’t be dragged out by people wanting trans inclusion as she’s the only instance in history of a clear born-male advantage due to being in a niche physical sport and a niche weightclass.

Because trans people are fairly rare, and exceptional sports people are very rare, hence trans exceptional sports people are extremely rare, it’s not hard. The only absurdity is the Hubbard “trans people don’t have an advantage” argument, when she’s one of the few cases that might prove they do.

Not questioning any of that because I don’t need to, in heavyweight weightlifting height and weight are the main advantage, so the rest of your stuff is irrelevant. Hubbard is just the worst possible case study for the pro-trans sport argument, yet is always brought up. That’s all I’m saying.

It’s exactly my point, she came last trying to come third, she could have phoned it in and easily come 5th but she chose not to.

You think “came last, trans women are not good”, in reality it’s “was very average male, but world/olympic top 3-5 in her 40s as woman”, doesn’t stack up.

You people are mad! 😂 125 was third place, she’d hit 132 previously in competitions, world record about 142. Formerly average male athlete tried to get a bronze and lost, she’s a bad example for your cause. Height is biological advantage in heavyweight weightlifting, can’t deny male height.

Haha what?? 125 is within 15% of the world record! It’s an insane lift, she went all or nothing to get bronze and got nothing. What pearl clutching am I doing, just pointing out she’s a bad example to support the cause.

A 40 year old, formerly average male lifter snatch within 15% of a female world record and having a decent shot at Olympic bronze is the exact reason for rule change. She may be the only trans athlete to get near a medal, but they decided one was enough. Not as mad a case as you want it to be

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