I think other species would beg to differ…

most of the world to wear a mask to prevent a pandemic. I doubt we will have much luck with trying to ignore our biological nature to fight each other and squeeze every last drop out of resources. Good luck to you and your project though.

That’s a noble cause, albeit it’s a fruitless endeavor. We can probably slow it down by a few years, but most of the worse case scenarios are locked in. Even if we did have a chance to preserve anything on Earth for future gens, humans aren’t exactly a cooperative species. We couldn’t even get—

It’s impossible to remove the excess carbon dioxide or heat from the atmosphere and the oceans.

We can do some things, but even that is subject to problems of diluted interests and collective actions.

We can fix some of our issues but we can’t fix them all.

It’s impossible to return land to nature, and deploy enough renewables, and remove micro- and nanoplastics from the oceans, atmosphere and the soils, and satisfy Wetiko and human greed, and solve the arrested development of most humans. —

TBF, you could say this about life on planet Earth in general. Like most people fail to give any other meaning to live on this planet other than to eat, expand, consume and multiply. I don’t think collapse has more inherit meaning in civilization nor vice versa.

Meltdown and radiate the soil, water, and air for millions of years. The planet will be fucked until the dying sun destroys it. Also, human nature is only a result in nature of all animals. It’s animal nature to rape, kill, and exploit resources. Any animal would’ve done the same thing as humans.

Umm the planet is not going to recover anytime soon. We’re in overshoot that includes arctic ice loss, sea level rise, resource depletion, toxic microplastics, ocean acidification, and cars and garbage littered everywhere on the planet. Not to mention over 500+ nuclear power plants that will—

I suppose you’re right. That was back when we were sure climate change wouldn’t have gotten as bad as it is now until around 2150. When it would be everyone’s descendants’ problem.

To be a Doomer is to be a hero of humanity, a rare person who looks unflinchingly into The Void and makes neither apology nor excuse but stoically accepts the incontrovertible reality of our species.

I think it’s more than just civilization. Our ancestors killed off the other members of our genus through skilled killing and faster breeding. I think it’s just who we are. I agree that the modern world is its own anomaly, but in my eyes it’s just the human experience with a different paint job.

Doomers I know suggest to make the best out of the time we have left. Try to do good in whatever ways you can. I can’t really see humans survive after seeing the research by certified climate scientists such as James Hansen and Richard Crim.

I don’t really think that’s the takeaway from what doomers are saying. Doomers can admit that the time for action that would’ve at least keep humans and other species alive was 60+ years ago. I’m all for not burning anything else, but it’s more than likely our fate is sealed.

That’s what people keep saying. But the more you look through Homo sapiens background and it seems it’s less civilization and more like it’s just our inherit nature.

There’s hardly a community among doomers. Doomers are mostly a group of people with the same knowledge about civilization / biospheric collapse. Doomers are still divided by differences disagreements / differing views on the moral values of collapse, etc.

Should we also exclude those who give out false hope in the sense that something good will come of collapse? The lie that something will emerge anew?

Honestly it’s for the best. Most living things on this planet live pretty shitty lives anyway. We’re just putting an old tired dog out if it’s misery.

Doomers hunt in packs and howl at the moon while eating your children and screaming ‘here come the wolves’. It is traditional to ignore us. Carry on people. We are not really here.

Pardon,when were humans ever a blessing to this world? We have always been a blight on this planet. No species that murders the other members of its genus, allows genocide to happen, won’t even try to stop a pandemic could never be considered a blessing. Human extinction is the only moral path left.

We humans haven’t had connection for our entire existence. We killed off the other members of the homo genus. Covid showed us just how little connection humans have inside, and it has nothing to do with our culture or values, it’s who we are inside.

Why on god’s earth would you think that? People couldn’t be forgets to wear a goddamn mask to prevent a pandemic. Humans don’t care about each other. Humans are stupid selfish creatures who only focus on what matters to themselves. Covid showed us that.

Humans have always been enemies of the Earth. For over 2.5 million years.

You don’t have to blame everyone because all humans are to blame. Every human being that’s ever lived has contributed to the damage to the planet. Americans, Indians, Asians, it’s all of us.

It’s very annoying. Although I can’t really say human history before the 2000s fair much better, lol. Stay strong, Jeff.

The only thing you need during collapse is protection from other humans.

Again, what lessons? Civilization is ending and all life on Earth is dying. There includes humanity. Any lessons learned will be worthless when there’s nothing left alive to heed them. Humans are fucked to extinction.

Humans are the most unnatural thing to come out of the planet. I don’t need clairvoyance to see that all life on earth is fucked and so is the human race. You seem to think we’re so type of gods, when you should accept the fact we’re murder apes in polyester.

“Mother culture” or stupid shit like that. Every culture in human history is about consuming at the end of the day.

You say that like humans have any purpose outside of consuming. Humans (or anything else on the planet) aren’t meant for anything more. The only job of any species is to eat, breed, and multiply until their habitat is destroyed. That’s the only biological purpose of life on Earth. It’s not about—

Why do you think anything resembling humanity or nature will persist after collapse? We’re in the midst of killing everything on the planet, potentially forever. Side note, if humans after 2.5 million years of chances to learn and grow and still haven’t, why do you think this time will be different?