Widening bridge decks and tunnels on roseburn won’t be cheap either btw.

Also I reckon the western general, botanic gardens, dean village and Stockbridge would generate more passengers than craigleith retail park but I’ll never know for sure because it wasn’t in included the feasibility study.

Frederic St is just as wide as St Andrews St.

Why are utility diversions affordable for Princes St, Leith Walk and South Bridge tram phases but not Stockbridge?

Pulled this out my magical arse. No major bridges, no homes demolished and passes through a more densely populated area with better trip generators. The real nimbyism is that CEC don’t want to upset the new towners.

Princes St: bike /pedestrians only

George St: bus and tram only

Queen St: general traffic

That’s great thanks. ‪I suppose that means the powderhall active travel route project will be canned.

Also not sure how the portobello stop will work as I’m sure station brae is about to become a block of flats.

Lots still to work out.

Yes but we will have the same arguments when someone designs a bus stop with footway level cycleway and opponents shout ‘that’s not to standard, we want detectable kerbs, rip it out’ and the designer can claim it complies with the statutory guidance.

My point is that this statutory guidance is still quite unclear therefore open to interpretation. Even the ramps on the render further on in the document are in a different position.

Any idea how to design a raised table as shown and provide a 50mm level difference at the same time?

June 2025. Possibly there has been more work since then. The last street view was 2023 with no bollards or tactiles. I think they might be describing the narrower crossing as a build out rather than actual build outs into the carriageway.

It’s been made safer but not completely safe. A bollard has already been damaged by a vehicle.

Of course a bollard has been hit almost immediately after installation so still not that safe then. Really needs a build out, entry kerbs and possibly bell bollards

Don’t forget the workplace parking levy

When your council voted to continue subsidising free parking in Porobello last week and therefore encouraging car dependent lifestyles is that the fault of the Scottish Government too or will you accept some responsibility for the issue?

I would hope so. Stockbridge is a traffic sewer and pedestrian nightmare. It would benefit significantly from traffic restrictions and wider footways with or without trams.

Im aware it’s complex and I’m not saying it’s cheaper than roseburn but it would clearly serve more passengers and closer to RIE too. I’m also not saying it would be the best route but it should IMO have been included in the feasibility study rather than the Dean Bridge route.

The north bridge route will have similar utilities and disruption as Leith Walk has seen. Seem to me it’s a political decision ‘not to upset the new towners’

So how can you say it’s not viable? To me it looks cheaper than orchard brae (avoids Dean bridge) and would likely serve more passengers than both. Speed is a political decision not to restrict traffic.

Was it in the feasibility study? I can’t find any references to it ever being considered as an option

They mention Stockbridge. Why is that not viable?

Definitely feels longer

Council saying one of the goals is “support new developments” so that’s induced demand from the get go. They’ll need another relief road for the relief road soon enough. Also good to see it’s one of those ‘safe and environmental friendly’ roads. 🤦🏼

Tactiles shouldn’t be buff either

Abysmal. CEC giving cyclists false security of a secure bike lane when really it’s as good as a painted lane. As ever, cost cutting has resulted in a false economy with reduced quality and a long term maintenance headache.