. @KVMFinn reaffirms the notion of authority, textual & authorial, as radically different in the Middle Ages, esp in terms of originality #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold & @KingsManorGhost talk about copyright, amateurism (if unpaid work, does this mean forever non-canon?) & popularity all factoring in #premodfanfic19
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. @Ashumi1992 asks if authenticity is even something we need to talk about, in terms of legitimacy at least, given the relative unimportance of this on medieval textual norms? #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost 2nd wave fan studies paradigms - qs whether non-normative readings are "resistant" reading. Cues for such readings lie within the texts themselves. Busse's notion of "ethos" esp helpful in terms of qs of authenticity #premodfanfic19 ...
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. @KingsManorGhost referring to @KVMFinn point earlier, Arthuriana as like Marvel Universe, interwoven and sometimes competing narratives and characters. @mayglenthebold: using recent film releases eg Harry Potter, superheroes, works to engage students #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold asks students, is this a male or female fantasy in this text?. @KVMFinn grounds teaching Arthurian stuff with modern fantasy, eg excerpts from Game of Thrones. @KingsManorGhost finds students enjoy Gawain as it shows blueprint for Arthurian texts #premodfanfic19
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Q for @mayglenthebold - kink scenarios & plots are central to the Arthurian corpus. How do we teach these texts effectively? #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold ends with a killer point: the ultimate BDSM relationship is between medieval authors & their authorial forebears to whom they choose to submit as narrative authorities #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold "Fans endure, even revel in, the shameful" as it generates enjoyment & frisson of the taboo - - fin amor!! #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold Cf with fanfic studies, about legitimacy of fandom, shame about one's fandom. & the prominence of shame as a topic in kink fandom, kink fanfic #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold "sexual shame" a major component to the Arthurian corpus itself, from Arthur's birth onwards. This shame is titillating, engaging emotionally. #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold Lanval's Lady is basically his sugar mommy, he consents to the dynamic of their relationship #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold if Malory shows Lancelot & Guinevere's relationship as sadomasochistic, incl pain, Marie de France's Lanval offers a depiction of dominance & submission possibly without the pain #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold Inherent feminism of the dominatrix figure, incl Guinevere, which rejects heteropatriarchal roles for women, passive, suffering, etc. Tho ofc, Guinevere suffers too in the medieval telling, ie subversion is possible but not total #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold significance of shame, secrecy for Guinevere & Lancelot's relationship. Tho in Malory, the court is in the dark but Arthur knows - - he inhabits a kink role too, pimp and/ cuckold
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. @mayglenthebold forwarding a specifically kink-derived theory of fanfic, particularly in terms of complex psychologies of characters as central to plot & narrative enjoyment & fantasy as a space of "sane, safe, consensual" play #premodfanfic19
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. @mayglenthebold medieval & modern kink fanfic as trafficking in set roles, eg sadistic dominatrix, cruel mistress, queering the heteronormative, fantastical - not real life, not necessarily what one wants to do outside of the specific context #premodfanfic19
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Rounding out the panel, it's @mayglenthebold on Marie de France's Lanval & Malory, fin amor and BDSM #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost cult TV and romances as inherently queer - - the story ends if the couple live happily ever after. Can we think about slash fanfic in this way too? Flagging up what was always already there... #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost rich tradition of modern fanfic, eg on A03 and http://fanfiction.net for Gawain & Green Knight - very often slash, incl "the educational 3some" & crossover, eg with Harry Potter characters #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost Gawain as known, established character but also flexible, broad outlines which can be filled in by fanfic recontextualising #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost so Bertilak is the consumer of fanfic (narratives of Gawain's prowess) & producer, as Gawain becomes what she, effectively, writes into being. Gawain himself as essentially a "narrative function" #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost Bertilak questions Gawain, basically - haven't you read the books about what you're supposed to do here?? In response, Gawain starts to refer to himself in 3rd person - splitting of self, to become the character she expects #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost Bertilak knows what to expect of Gawain, but he fails to deliver. So, as her husband says, "thou art not Gawain!". Expectations shape recognition #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost discussing Lady Bertilak as fanfic - - is Bertilak herself a Mary Sue?? Probably not. But she knows Gawain more as a celebrity character "that all the world worships" than a real person #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost medieval romance audiences - well-to-do women, but also oral performance increases potential audiences. Cf democratisation of fandom in digital age, Internet facilitates almost instantaneous feedback, community building #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost online anonymity, pseudonymity - - how does this connect with unstable or unknown authorship of medieval romances? #premodfanfic19
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Translation, adaptation, reinterpretation: How do we differentiate, eg professional vs amateur writing? Difference in tropes? Is it like porn, "you know it when you see it"? #premodfanfic19
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. @KingsManorGhost pronounced overlap between fan studies & romance studies - popular genres, perception, reinterpretation of stock characters, existing narratives, require familiarity with connected works. Plus emphasis on community & targeting female readership #premodfanfic19
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Next up, it's @KingsManorGhost (our excellent twitter host at @premodfanfic) speaking on "50 Shades of Green: Lady Bertilak and Arthurian Fanfic" #premodfanfic19
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