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Television just gives us more time.
Speaking of time, all the series should be 10 episodes, except Defenders which was 8 and should have been 6.
The end! Thanks to the panelists!
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The movies are about spectacle.
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Q: Do the TV marvel villains have more depth than the movies because it’s TV or for another reason?
A: Overall (including Runaways, AoS, The Gifted, etc) the villains are a mixed bag on tv but we get more time with their motivations and complexities.
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But these second seasons (esp. JJ) had character assassinations. There were ways to get to angst that could have worked, but the shows, for whatever reasons, fell back on overdone narratives.
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Audience member had an optimism that there’s a three-season arc to repair the damages of season 2.
Anika thinks that trilogy structure exists, she just doesn’t think it’s necessary. You don’t have to break things all the time.
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The shows purposefully set up the heroes and the villains as dichotomies of people using the same tactics in different ways. It’s not always successful, but they’re trying.
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Though they are sometime internally contradictory, the shows seem to be interesting in that investigation of justification.
Nobody is all right all of the time, except Claire.
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There are also points where the heroes have to reflect on the ethics of their actions and justification. Jessica uses Malcolm, does that make her as bad as Killgrave? Matt sounds like Fisk, wanting to save “his” city.
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Matt serves justice and Foggy serves the law. Neither are 100% right or wrong.
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The ethics of heroism. Who’s going to do the hard work if not you? Stepping up and through pain and exhaustion to be a hero. You can’t leave the world to the Hogarths and the Fisks of the world.
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Next topic: ethics and crimes.
A theme of surveillance in Jessica Jones. She’s the instrument of surveillance and is also being watched. Very topical.
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The Defenders hallway scene is also amazing and is why, along with the dinner scene, crossovers are fun.
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“Let is not discount the sheer imagery of Luke Cage be unshootable.”
The importance of a black man who can’t be shot. #defenders #wc42 #wiscon42
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And not just the hallway scenes. Misty fights like a cop, Colleen like an *actual* martial artist, and Trish like... a feisty little cocker spaniel. (LOL.)
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Mooooving on to fights. Everyone likes the fight choreography. The hallway fights are great and showcase the different fighting styles of the characters, which are indicative of their backgrounds and powers.
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Jessica loves her memories, not this woman who rolls into her life and says all those memories are lies.
The whole season seems to be about redeeming abusive mothers.
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We’re supposed to believe that Jessica, who has show her ability to walk away from terrible people, is suddenly incapable of walking away because of the assertion of mother/daughter relationship. The show doesn’t earn that end result with narrative.
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The villain of season 2 Jessica Jones is... well, nobody on the panel is pleased. “She’s a gaslighting horrorshow.”
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“I’m just going to point out that we made it 45 minutes without mentioning Punisher.”
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The shows all explore to what extent does what happen to you justify what you do? #defenders #wc42 #wiscon42
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Sigourney Weaver is great and interesting despite the horrible plot and some ungood writing.m (and the awful idea of making her Madame Gao’s boss).
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Sigrid is very happy that they cast Jeri Hogarth as they did, and that there’s a lesbian who’s a bad person, because it’s a signifier that we’ve come far enough and have enough representation of queer women in media to have that kind of character.
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She also points out that she liked the subversion of expectations by casting everyone’s favorite Doctor as a horrible villains. #defenders #wc42 #wiscon42
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In this series all the heroes are traumatized and the villains are just... bad. The villains are less interesting and Anika wants shows that are basically slice of life with tiny references to their superhero stuff. #defenders #wc42 #wiscon42
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For the most part the villains have been really good (Diamondback is an exception).
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Shifting to the villains.
Fisk is a really well done villain in s1 but wasn’t need as much in s2. Killgrave also wasn’t needed in s2. But interested to see Mariah in s2 Luke Cage.
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Matt is good at people in big ways, and will die for anyone for any reason. “You got a paper cut? Would it help if I DIED?”
But bad with people in small ways.
Foggy is the opposite; will work for bad people but do good things for people he knows. #defenders #wc42 #wiscon42
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The Texts from Superheroes video about the Defenders talking about the origin of their powers. (I’ll try to find it and link it.)
Luke thinks Danny is sort of weird and silly and just goes with it. It’s a fun vibe that comes through in the show.
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