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@proton.me talks a big game about not succumbing to big tech, but in the end, they are in the pockets of pedophile billionaires, just like the rest of big tech.

Dirty little pigs, the lot of you.

#EpsteinFiles #Proton #AndyYen #Corruption

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Proton verlässt die Schweiz: CEO warnt vor Überwachungsstaat Proton verlässt die Schweiz: CEO Andy Yen rechnet mit der VÜPF ab und warnt vor Massenüberwachung und Hintertüren. Der Artikel <a href="https://tarnkappe.info/artikel/it-sicherheit/datenschutz/proton-verlaesst-die-schweiz-ceo-warnt-vor-ueberwachungsstaat-324338.html">Proton verlässt die Schweiz: CEO warnt vor Überwachungsstaat</a> erschien zuerst auf <a href="https://tarnkappe.info">TARNKAPPE.INFO</a>

📬 Proton verlässt die Schweiz: CEO warnt vor Überwachungsstaat

#Datenschutz #AndyYen #Grundrechte #Massenüberwachung #Proton #Rechtsstaat #Schweiz #Überwachung #Verschlüsselung #VÜPF

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Original post on mstdn.social

I suppose I overreacted and let my opinion and actions be influenced by people who either are incapable of exercising nuance or basic understanding, or who willfully disregarded all such seemingly in pursuit of an agenda of ideological purity, à la Stalin and Mao, et. al.

Perhaps […]

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Der CEO und Gründer von #Proton #AndyYen hat auch angekündigt, im Fall der Fälle, die Schweiz zu verlassen.

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Original post on swiss.social

Von #watsonNews @watson_news

Proton-Chef: «Diese Entscheidung ist wirtschaftlicher Selbstmord für die Schweiz»

#AndyYen leitet den sicheren #EMail-Dienst #Proton, eines der heissesten Start-ups der Schweizer Tech-Branche. Doch der Unternehmer ist wütend über den geplanten Ausbau der […]

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Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings) Recently, allegations surfaced on Reddit that Proton (or at least Proton’s CEO) supports Trump. Hillary Keverenge from Tech-Issues Today…

Analisi interessante sul CEO di @proton.me. L'autore ha scandagliato la rete alla ricerca di legami con #Trump e i Repubblicani, e ha scoperto che.. sorpresa – #AndyYen è di sinistra!

Posso tirare un sospiro di sollievo, resterò con #Proton ancora per un po'!

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Re: Alts to #Google. Don't just jump to the next thing on the list. Are they a US company? Do they prioritize AI? Do they collaborate with dangerous companies or tweet support for the fash? Probably NOT safe options: #Mozilla #Firefox #Thunderbird #Proton

#ROOST #AndyYen

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I wonder how long it will take until #AndyYen is forced to step down at @proton.me because of his #Fascist sympathies?

Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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<p>If an organization runs a survey in 2024 on whether it should get into AI, then they’ve already bodged an LLM into the system and they’re seeing if they can get away with it.</p> <p>Proton Mail is a privacy-focused email service. It’s the level of privacy service that privacy obsessives recommend to their friends.</p> <p>Proton Mail ran a user survey two months ago. They found some readers saying they were “interested in AI,” didn’t include a “hell no” option, and today, they’ve introduced Proton Scribe, claiming that “interested in AI” constituted user demand for this specific feature! [<a href="https://proton.me/blog/2024-proton-survey-results"><i>blog post</i></a><i>; </i><a href="https://proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-writing-assistant"><i>blog post</i></a>]</p> <p>Proton Scribe is a AI writing assistant for Proton Mail’s enterprise customers — who give them vastly more money than their original base of privacy-focused users do. The enterprise users very much want to press a button to write those emails that they didn’t want to write and the recipient didn’t want to read.</p> <p>The trouble is that Proton has announced and implemented Scribe in a manner that sends up huge red flags for their privacy-focused techie base — who now wonder if ProtonMail is still safe enough to recommend to their non-techie friends.</p> <p><span id="more-410"></span></p> <p>Scribe uses a Mistral LLM — trained on the usual copyrighted data, though apparently not on your inbox — running on ProtonMail’s own servers or on your own hefty and recent PC. Proton says “only the prompt is sent to the server, and is deleted immediately after use.” The feature is supposedly off by default, but users report it being on by default. [<a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1e68ls7/introducing_proton_scribe_a_privacyfirst_writing/"><i>Reddit</i></a>]</p> <p>Proton Mail’s privacy-focused users are worried about the Scribe announcement because they’ve never seen Proton be so vague and nonspecific about security and threat models. Proton’s threat models for their email, calendar, and document storage are precise and detailed, listing which parts are end-to-end encrypted and why. [<a href="https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model"><i>Mail security model</i></a><i>; </i><a href="https://proton.me/blog/protoncalendar-security-model"><i>Calendar security model</i></a><i>; </i><a href="https://proton.me/blog/protondrive-security"><i>Drive security model</i></a>]</p> <p>Up to now, Proton has been serious about privacy — for example, email is stored encrypted in such a way that Proton themselves can’t decode it. Proton have to respond to subpoenas, but they can only supply traffic metadata, not the contents of the traffic.</p> <p>Proton’s descriptions of Scribe are vague and waffly about their threat model. Your prompt — that is, the email you’re writing — is kept in plain text on their server, unlike emails you’ve sent or received, which are secure at rest. Proton promises they don’t log the prompts — but services like Apple, which many Proton users were trying to get away from, make only the same level of promise.</p> <p>The Scribe announcement blog post conflates the machine-learning in their security system with the LLM in Scribe — two completely different technologies — as comparable examples of “AI.” Nobody who knows what they’re talking about technically would do that.</p> <p>The outraged privacy-focused techies are zooming in on red flags only they can see. But those are the sort of red flags that indicate dangerous sloppiness, to a degree that they may not be able to safely recommend ProtonMail to their friends anymore. Your nerd friends keep an eye on this stuff for your sake.</p> <p>In 2021, Signal Messenger — famous for its journalist-quality security — started messing about with a cryptocurrency, Mobilecoin, which we covered <a href="https://amycastor.com/2021/04/07/signal-adopts-mobilecoin-a-crypto-project-linked-to-its-own-creator-moxie-marlinspike/">here</a> and <a href="https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2021/04/08/signal-messenger-goes-cryptocurrency-with-mobilecoin-proof-of-intel-cpu/">here</a>. Techies who had recommended Signal to their friends were <a href="https://amycastor.com/2021/04/11/news-coinbase-q1-earnings-signal-integrates-mobilecoin-gbtc-premium-in-the-toilet-reggie-fowlers-new-lawyer/">similarly</a> <a href="https://amycastor.com/2022/01/15/news-signal-goes-worldwide-with-payments-irs-sets-its-sights-on-nfts-bukeles-bad-bets-on-btc/">outraged</a>. Signal founder Moxie Marlinspike was ousted shortly after the MobileCoin announcement.</p> <p>ProtonMail used to be journalist-quality, and that’s no longer clear. 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*SpongeBob time card voice* Six months earlier…

pivot-to-ai.com/2024/07/18/proton-mail-g...

like, almost literally six months…it's like he was just waiting to pull this shit.

#proton #protonmail #AndyYen #AndyYenIsATurd

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Reddit - Dive into anything

Andy Yen’s playing damage control on Reddit, and it’s not going well.

It’s also not clear whether he’s speaking on behalf of the entire group or not, and he hasn’t clarified.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/s/4JxXuQH0a1

#AndyYen #Proton #ProtonPrivacy

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