Il Mito dello Schinderhannes: il Robin Hood tedesco? Non proprio Anche la Germania ha avuto il suo Robin Hood? Le leggenda dello Schinderhannes, in realtà, ha un lato molto più oscuro di quella inglese

La leggenda lo dipinge come ladro altruista, ma per i suoi contemporanei era un fuorilegge violento. 🩸🤷
#Germania #storia #Schinderhannes

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looking into the #FamilyHistory info available around the infamous robber #Schinderhannes, I realised there isn't a comprehensive list of the victims and witnesses of his crimes, so I started one: proseandpassion.blogspot.com/2025/05/robbed-by-schind... #germany #history […]

a robber's family A recent research paper reported the identification of the skeleton of the infamous robber Johann Bückler (1778?-1803), aka Schinderhannes, who committed dozens of crimes in the Hunsrück area where 3/16 of my ancestry is from. In a nutshell, his skeleton had been involved in a mix-up and has now been correctly identified based on a known bone fracture, and confirmed by comparing a DNA sample with one donated by a descendant of his sister. (See this news story in Archaeology News for more details.) Which reminded me that there is quite a bit known about the family links around the young outlaw, and that I really should check again for possible connections. Note that there were quite a few vicars and teachers among my Hunsrück ancestors (the Kauer and Imig clans), who would have been horrified to see their names associated with a criminal. But you never know - maybe there once was a connection that was swept under the rug? A family portrait dated 1803 So I need to find out. Here is the ancestry of the robber as a Kekule list (which is the only way I understand these things), data from GedBas, and I marked any places that also occur in my family tree as bold (no overlap with family names, apart from Schmidt which is so common as to be meaningless): 1. Johann Wilhelm BÜCKLER, aka Schinderhannes 2. Johann BÜCKLER born 1758-02-28 Merzweiler 3. Anna Maria SCHMIDT born 1755-03-18 Miehlen 4. Otto Philipp BICKLER born 1709-04-29 Hilscheid 5. Maria Margarethe RIEMENSCHNEIDER born 1713 Merzweiler 6. Johann Dietrich SCHMIDT born 1706-04-11 Hamm-Sieg died 1781-04 Miehlen 7. unknown 8. Johann Nicolaus BICKLER born 1673 Wallenbrück Death: 1757 9. Maria Barbara ROTH born 1675 **Kastellaun** Death: 10. Johann Lorenz RIEMENSCHNEIDER born 1690-04-16 Herren-Sulzbach Death: 1750 Merzweiler 11.Anna Margaretha SCHIELER born **Merxheim** 12. Johann Christoffel SCHMIDT born estimated 1674 Miehlen bei Nastätten Death: 1740-01-27 Miehlen bei Nastätten 13. Anna Thimothea SCHMIDT born calculated 1687 Daaden 16. Hans Adam BICKLER born 1649 Wallenbrück Death: 1720-06-27 Wallenbrück 17. Margaretha KOLLER born 1648-09-03 Bernkastel Death: before 1694 18. Johannes ROTH born about 1640 Death: 1719-12-28 **Kastellaun** 19. Barbara RACH born about 1652 Oberwesel Death: before 1683 **Kastellaun** 20. Johann Wilhelm RIEMENSCHNEIDER born 1665-11-07 Meisenheim Death: 21. Juliana Catharina HESSLER born about 1665 Diez Death: 22. Philipp SCHIELER born **Merxheim** 23. NN 24. Johann Conrad SCHMIDT born 1645 aus Miehlen bei Nastätten 25. Anna Margaretha XX Death: 1713-01-10 Miehlen 26. Weiland Johannes SCHMIDT 32.Sebastian BICKLER birth: 1624 **Kirchberg** Death: 1668 Wallenbrück 33. Elisabeth CLAUSS born 1625 Uhler Death: before 1672 34. Philipps KOLLER born1620 Bernkastel Death: 1694-01-09 Bernkastel 35. Anna HEIL born1622-10-10 Bernkastel Death: 1696-06-14 Bernkastel 38.Nicolaus RACH 39. Anna Elisabeth XX Death: 1776-03-17 Oberwesel 48. Jacob SCHMIDT born 1610 Limburg Death: 49. Carita Liebmuth WENTZEN born 1615 Limburg 64. (Bickler) 66. Johann CLAUSS born 1585 **Trarbach** , Mosel Death: 1636-08-30 Trarbach, Mosel 67 Catharina HAUSMANN born 1589-10-22 **Trarbach** , Mosel Death: 1670-11-10 **Trarbach** There is also some information on Schinderhannes's girlfriend, 1. Maria Juliana (Julchen) Blasius, born in Weierbach 22. March 1781, whose occupation is given as Bänkelspielerin, ie a musician and street performer. Her parents are: 2. Johann Nicolaus BLASIUS born 1751-03-11 Weierbach 3. Maria Catharina Louisa CATHARIUS born 1754 Becherbach While Schinderhannes was executed, Julchen only went to jail for a couple of years. Their descendants are: 1. Johanna BÜCKLER 1801-1801 2. Franz Wilhelm BÜCKLER 1802-1834 2.1.Johann Friedrich Wilhelm BÜCKLER 1831-1874 2.2. Philipp Wilhelm BÜCKLER 1831-1886 2.3. Eduard BÜCKLER 1834-1838 Julchen later married a cousin also called Blasius, settled in Weierbach, and produced lots of children by that name. Weierbach is on the river Nahe, downstream from Idar-Oberstein and just next to Fischbach, where my migrating miners passed through and where I revisited the ancient copper mine ten years ago. Further reading: * A google search for led me to the book Unter dem Freiheitsbaum by Clara Viebig (full text at Projekt Gutenberg). I hadn't heard of her before, but apparently she was famous in the early 20th century, and this book has been praised for elevating the Schinderhannes sujet to the literary level.

on the occasion of the identification of the #Schinderhannes skeleton, I've rounded up his #familyTree. No obvious connection, although several familiar places. proseandpassion.blogspot.com/2025/04/a-robbers-family... #familyHistory #genome #science #forensics

the #schinderhannes paper is on open access and includes the #genealogy linking him to an (unidentified) living person who provided the DNA sample to confirm identification. There is no known link to my #familyHistory, but it's geographically very close so it's worth digging into this.

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A 220-year-old mystery surrounding the remains of infamous German outlaw Johannes Bückler, known as #Schinderhannes, has at last been solved. An international research team used cutting-edge #forensic techniques to confirm that a skeleton long thought to be that of another criminal, “Schwarzer […]

After 200 Years, Scientists Identified the Skeleton of a Legendary Outlaw. The Truth Was There All Along. In true outlaw fashion, Schinderhannes’ skeleton was hiding right under our noses.

After 200 Years, Scientists Identified the Skeleton of a Legendary Outlaw. The Truth Was There All Along.

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#news #Science #archaeology #history #germany #Schinderhannes

(S+) »Schinderhannes«: Skelett des legendären Räubers identifiziert Der Räuber Johannes Bückler, genannt »Schinderhannes«, gilt manchem als deutscher Robin Hood. Jetzt haben Forscher das Skelett des Berufsverbrechers identifiziert – und eine mehr als 200 Jahre während...

Der Räuber Johannes Bückler, genannt #Schinderhannes, gilt manchem als deutscher Robin Hood. Jetzt haben Forscher das Skelett des Berufsverbrechers identifiziert – und eine mehr als 200 Jahre währende Verwechslung beendet. Mein Text für @spiegel.de: www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft...

DNA-Vergleich enthüllt Gebeine des „Schinderhannes“ Fehlerhafte Dokumentation: Forensische Analysen haben enthüllt, wie der im Jahr 1803 hingerichtete „Schinderhannes“ wirklich aussah. Demnach sah der „Superschurke“ anders aus als in manchen historischen Überlieferungen und Bildern beschrieben. DNA-Analysen klärten zudem, welches Skelett zu dem Räuber gehört. Denn wie sich zeigte, waren die Gebeine des „Schinderhannes“ gut 200 Jahre lang falsch zugeordnet. Man hatte sein Skelett mit dem eines zweiten, gleichzeitig hingerichteten Räubers verwechselt.

DNA-Vergleich enthüllt Gebeine des „Schinderhannes“ https://wp.me/p36Ae-1b7T Forensische Analysen haben enthüllt, wie der im Jahr 1803 hingerichtete „Schinderhannes“ wirklich aussah. Demnach sah der „Superschurke“ anders aus als... #Schinderhannes #DNAVergleich #Superschurke

Da bekomme ich doch gleich Lust, mir den alten Schinken mit Curd Jürgens und Maria Schell nochmal reinzuziehen!
Ihr glaubt gar nicht, wie oft ich diesen Ohrwurm im Kopf hab 😅
🎶Das ist der #Schinderhannes, der Lumpenhund, der Galgenstrick! 🎶

"Offenbar kam es jedoch zu Beginn des 19. Jahrhunderts, unter Ackermanns Nachfolger Friedrich Tiedemann, zu einer Vertauschung der Sammlungsnummern – und damit auch bei der korrekten Zuordnung der Skelette." #schinderhannes

Remains of the German outlaw Johannes Bückler alias Schinderhannes identified by an interdisciplinary approach Two mounted skeletons assigned to the famous German criminals Schinderhannes and Hölzerlips were on display at the Anatomical Collection of Heidelberg University for two centuries. However, doubts abo...

#Schinderhannes unmasked! After 220 years, forensics clears up a historical mix-up: The skeleton of the legendary robber has been identified - thanks to new DNA technology and the @i-med.ac.at ac.at, which prove the relationship over 5 generations. #ColdCase
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Jahrhundertealte Verwechselung aufgeklärt: Historischer Räuber „Schinderhannes“ identifiziert - myPoint

#Schinderhannes enttarnt! Nach 220 Jahren klärt die Forensik eine Verwechslung auf: Das Skelett des legendären Räubers wurde in Heidelberg identifiziert – dank neuer DNA-Technologie und der @i-med.ac.at, die die Verwandtschaft über 5 Generationen nachweisen. #ColdCase
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Il Mito dello Schinderhannes: il Robin Hood tedesco? Non proprio Anche la Germania ha avuto il suo Robin Hood? Le leggenda dello Schinderhannes, in realtà, ha un lato molto più oscuro di quella inglese

Una figura problematica del folklore tedesco, fra mito e realtà storica.
#schinderhannes #storia #germania